Curse

mattjones527 · Apr 07, 2006, 02:30 AM // 02:30

First off this build is for PvE, I put it together using the GWFreaks program

and from that standpoint I think the build looks ok. However I noticed the

large amounts of errors with the factions skills in that program so i'm not so

sure of the build anymore.

EDITS:
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1) replaced the skill "life" with "weapon of warding"
- Weapon of warding skill descrition added
2) Added a 2nd variation to the build that has a bigger energy pool

Ritual healer v1.1
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Class: Ritualist/Monk

Spawning Power: 13 (12+1)
Restoration Magic: 16 (12+4)
Smiting Prayers: 3

Skill bar
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- Mend Body and Soul (Restoration Magic)
- Soothing Memories (Restoration Magic)
- Spirit Light (Restoration Magic)
- Attuned Was Songkai [Elite] (Spawning Power)
- Smite Hex (Smiting Prayers)
- Weapon of Warding (Restoration Magic)
- Recuperation (Restoration Magic)
- Flesh of my Flesh (Restoration Magic)

Ritual healer v2.0
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Class: Ritualist/Mesmer

Spawning Power: 4 (3+1)
Channeling Magic: 2 (1+1)
Restoration Magic: 16 (12+4)
Communing: 10 (9+1)
Inspiration Magic: 9

Skill bar
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- Mend Body and Soul (Restoration Magic)
- Soothing Memories (Restoration Magic)
- Spirit Light (Restoration Magic)
- Inspired Hex (Inspiration Magic)
- Energy Drain [Elite] (Inspiration Magic)
- Mighty was Vorizun (Communing)
- Recuperation (Restoration Magic)
- Flesh of my Flesh (Restoration Magic)

Skill descritptions(I used the numbers based on what wikipedia said)
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- Mend Body and Soul (Restoration Magic) -
Target ally is healed for 90 Health. That ally loses one Condition for each spirit in your area.
Energy:5 Cast:0.75 Recharge:3

- Soothing Memories (Restoration Magic) -
Target ally is healed for 106 Health. If you are holding an item, you gain 3 Energy.
Energy:5 Cast:1 Recharge:5

- Spirit Light (Restoration Magic) -
Scrifice 10% Health. Target ally is healed for 162. If any spirits are in the area around you, you don't sacrifice Health.
Energy:10 Cast:1 Recharge:4

- Attuned Was Songkai [Elite] (Spawning Power) -
Hold Songkai's ashes for up to 45 seconds. While you hold her ashes, your spells cost 44% less Energy to cast.
Energy:10 Cast:2 Recharge:60

- Smite Hex (Smiting Prayers) -
Remove a Hex from target ally. If a Hex is removed, foes in the area suffer 25 damage.
Energy:5 Cast:1 Recharge:15

- Weapon of Warding (Restoration Magic) - {guildwiki was down numbers based on GWFreaks program}
Weapon Spell. For 11 seconds, target ally has a Weapon of Warding. The Weapon of Warding grants a 50% chance to block and you gain +4 Health regeneration.
Energy:10 Cast:1 Recharge:5

- Life (Restoration Magic) - {Skill in original build, replaced with Weapon of warding}
Create a level 11 spirit. When this spirit dies, all allies within its range are healed for 5 Health for each second this spirit was alive. This spirit dies after 30 seconds.
Energy:10 Cast:3 Recharge:45

- Recuperation (Restoration Magic) -
Create a level 11 spirit. Allies within its range gane +3 Health regeneration. This spirit dies after 47 seconds.
Energy:15 Cast:3 Recharge:60

- Flesh of my Flesh (Restoration Magic) -
Lose half of your Health. Resurrect target ally with your current Health and 21% Energy.
Energy:5 Cast:5 Recharge:0

- Inspired Hex (Inspiration Magic) -
Remove a Hex from target ally and gain 10 Energy. For 20 seconds, Inspired Hex is replaced with the Hex that was removed.
Energy:5 Cast:1 Recharge:0

- Energy Drain [Elite] (Inspiration Magic) -
Target foe loses 8 Energy. You gain 2 points of Energy for each point of Energy lost.
Energy:5 Cast:1 Recharge:25

- Mighty was Vorizun (Communing) -
Hold Vorizun's ashes for up to 45 seconds. While you hold his ashes, you gain +15 armor and +20 maximum Energy.
Energy:5 Cast:2 Recharge:30
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My comments on the skills
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---Mend Body and Soul
- A decent 5e heal that removes conditions if spirits are present

---Soothing Memories
- A decent 100hp 5e skill, when used while holding [Attuned was songkai]should cost 0 energy(if I did my math right).

---Spirit Light
- A stronger 10e skill, comparable to heal other.

---Attuned Was Songkai [Elite]
- The primary form of energy management, by reducing the cost of spells by 44%, the pips should be enough to maintain the heals.

---Smite Hex
- A good 1sec cast hex removeal, could be replaced with holy veil(I just prefer not to doulbe click the icon to disenchant it).

---Weapon of Warding
- Used to replace "life", decent protection when vs melee classes or to help counteract lots of degen.

---Recuperation
- its like mending the whole team, basicly makes them all invincible

. This was more of a filler skill due to the lack of other choices, however degen seems to be more common in factions, So I think this may help counter act that.

---Flesh of my Flesh
- Fast cheap res, could be replaced with rebirth since this is intended for PvE.

---Life
- Similar effect as heal party, except bigger heal and cant be used as often. This was sort of a filler skill, its cheap cost and big area of effect is why I chose it.

---Inspired Hex (Inspiration Magic) -
- hex removeal + energy management

---Energy Drain [Elite] (Inspiration Magic) -
- Primary form of energy management. I choose this over MoR(matra of recall) simply becuase Edrain is a core skill and MoR is a prophecies only skill(according to guildwiki)

---Mighty was Vorizun (Communing) -
- Since Rt's have the same AL as monks I decided +15AL and +20E was better than just using offhands. I find the most useful advantages from offhands(while playing a healer) are usually enchanting and HP/armor, however build v2.0 has no enchants(so an enchat mod on a sword is useless) and I prefer armor to Hp. Also Since most of these skills already have a short recharge and cast time, I didint think sacrificing fast cast/recharge for energy and armor was all that bad of an idea.
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Please post your thoughts on the build and try to avoid any flames

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Thank you for all the feedback

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GloryFox · Apr 07, 2006, 02:49 AM // 02:49

Excelent choices in skills. I was considering something similar myself.

natus · Apr 07, 2006, 03:52 PM // 15:52

Since some of those skills require that you "need to be in the area of a spirit" and you say it's a pve build, which means you would need to move forward instead of just fighting at the same spot, wouldn't it be good to bring Draw Spirit, so you're always close to one?

otherwise it looks like a pretty good healing build, i've tried using Rit for healing during the FPE, and it was pretty fun, I might want to try this out when the game comes out.

Francis Demeules · Apr 07, 2006, 04:14 PM // 16:14

Just to say that, Life + Comsume Soul [E] can gives lot HP when your sacrifice your spirit (or enemy spirits too) to heal your teammate around this spirit. BTW, good build mattjones.

Khift · Apr 07, 2006, 04:15 PM // 16:15

Well, I'd have to say two things:

First off, be prepared to drop Attuned Was Songkai. During the FPE, it was found that ritualist urns act as aggro items -- in other words, the enemies will automatically target someone holding them over anything else in their aggro bubble. This may or may not be the same during release, seeing as many people (Myself included) have been raising all hell about it, but if it doesn't change then Attuned Was Songkai will have to go.

Secondly, I'm not a fan of Life. Because you have to wait so long for the health gain, unless you're using some skills that combo with destroying allied spirits it won't do you much good at all. Your team will likely have moved on and be fighting something else by the time Life decides to naturally pop. Ideas for making this work better:

-- Spirit to Flesh
10 en, 3/4 cast, 15 recharge
Spell. Target touched allied spirit is destroyed. All nearby allies are healed for 198. (Attrib.: Spawning Power)

-- Feast of Souls
10 en, 1/4 cast, 10 recharge
Spell. Destroy all nearby allied spirits. For each spirit destroyed this way, all party members are healed for 90 health. (Attrib.: Spawning Power)

-- Spirit Transfer
5 en, 1/4 cast
Spell. Target ally steals up to 41 health from all spirits in the area.

Still thinking about what I'm going to use with my Rt/Mo. But, I know it'll be fun, regardless! Rits have so many toys to play with...

carbajac · Apr 07, 2006, 07:45 PM // 19:45

I'd have to agree with Khift.

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Originally Posted by Khift

First off, be prepared to drop Attuned Was Songkai. During the FPE, it was found that ritualist urns act as aggro items -- in other words, the enemies will automatically target someone holding them over anything else in their aggro bubble.

Since your build was designed to be a PvE build, the AI of the enemies in regards to characters holding items is a big concern to Ritualists. Should ANet change this AI, it would be a good thing for Ritualists, but a bad thing for farmers. As it stands, the only items worth carrying are the ones designed to be dropped around enemies, like the ones where you knock down nearby enemies or blind nearby enemies.

Also, I'm just seeing Life as not being very practical. At a three second cast and then having to wait even before it's effects can be useful when your team will be needing immediate healing, this skill would take some real getting used to. Spirit to Flesh would be a good idea, but then this healing combination becomes a 20 energy heal (given that we're not using Attuned was Songkai anymore). If you want this much of an area heal, Divine Healing for the monk is a much better choice, the recharge is lower and the energy cost is less.

It's going to be tough to find a Ritualist build that will be able to top or even be in the same league as a monk.

Dahnel · Apr 07, 2006, 08:56 PM // 20:56

What no weapon of warding ?

mattjones527 · Apr 08, 2006, 02:31 AM // 02:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by natus

Since some of those skills require that you "need to be in the area of a spirit" and you say it's a pve build, which means you would need to move forward instead of just fighting at the same spot, wouldn't it be good to bring Draw Spirit, so you're always close to one?

otherwise it looks like a pretty good healing build, i've tried using Rit for healing during the FPE, and it was pretty fun, I might want to try this out when the game comes out.

I agree with what your saying, I didnt have a chance to play a ritualist in the FPE much to test out any skills, so I was wondering if perhaps I could get clarification on the wording of certain spells.

For example: Mend Body and Soul - "...loses one Condition for each spirit in your area."

Example 2: Spirit Light - "...If any spirits are in the area around you...."

Originally I had assumed it meant the area of the spirits effect similar to nature rituals, but after double checking I think it may just be the 'area' radius on the training isle. If anyone has tested these ranges please share the information.

On the issue of Draw Spirit, well for some reason it isnt showing up in my GWFreaks program

. So if someone could post the stats and desription it would be greatly appreciated. It sounds like it would be useful.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Francis Demeules

Just to say that, Life + Comsume Soul [E] can gives lot HP when your sacrifice your spirit (or enemy spirits too) to heal your teammate around this spirit. BTW, good build mattjones.

First off i'm glad you like my build

, the idea of Life+Consume Soul[E] is a great idea for big cheap heals and I think it would work great in certain builds. My only concern would be energy management. Since the current state of the build depends heavily on a reduced energy cost as its primary form of energy management, I'm kind of hesitant to swap out the elite. Never the less thanks for the input.

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Originally Posted by Dahnel

What no weapon of warding ?

I really like that skill and I wanted to fit it in, the problem is I couldnt justify choosing it over the other skills.

I consider the first five skills on the bar to be neccesary, its got condion/hex removeal, cheap heals and big heals, and energy managemnet.

You always carry a res in PvE. So the only two choices were the two spirits.

Originally I was thinking I wanted to keep at least 1 spirit up all the time, so that the added effect of "Mend Body and Soul" would always be there(since it is the only form of condition removeal on the build).

But after seeing some of the posts on the skill "life" I think I may consider weapon of warding.

Khift,

----- I didnt get a chance to play a Rt in the FPE much so I was not aware of urns acting as an aggro item.

Hopefully they will change the monster AI before the factions release otherwise Attuned was Songkai may be a waste of space. Thank you for pointing that out.

I agree with you on "life" after doing some pondering, originally it was a filler to help keep a spirit up at all times.

But after reevaluating the build I dont think taking it out and a ~15s spirit downtime isnt going to mess it up that bad if even at all.

My only concern was if the build only had one spirit and then it got killed, but then again maybe that wont be much of an issue.

As for the destroying the spirits, I think I would rather go in a different direction with this build.

Since in this build condition removeal is dependent on a spirit being up, it would only make sense to kill a spirit right before it was about to end.

And for me at least I know I would have troube healing and at the same time keeping a mental note of which spirit is about to die, (unless of course spirits start flashing before they end, similar to enchantments).

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Originally Posted by carbajac

It's going to be tough to find a Ritualist build that will be able to top or even be in the same league as a monk.

I couldn't of said it better myself

. My favorite class to play is monk and I plan on playing through the factions campaign eventually with him.

However I must admit I do want to play one of the new factions classes to go through Cantha.

The point of the healing rit is simply so I can play through PvE the way I enjoy it and get to test out a new class at the same time.

Also finding monks was already a problem in the prophecies campaign, so im thinking a pure healing rit may be able to find a group faster than an assassin in the factions campaign.

I agree that a monk will always potentially be better at healing, however I think a Ritualists could work as a substitute in PvE.

Thank you all for the feedback on the build, I think I will go ahead and edit the first post and for now replace "life" with "weapon of warding".

In addition to that I am working on a build that dosent hold any objects, I'm leaning towards a Rt/mes since the mesmer class has MoR[E] and hex removeal.

If anyone has some other suggestions on which form of energy management and hex removeal would benefit this build the most I would love to hear them.

Hella Good · Apr 08, 2006, 02:38 AM // 02:38

I think with Rts you need to get out of the pure heal monk frame of thinking and take on a somewhat heal/proto attitude. I think using stuff like Weapon of Warding and Weapon Boon and the likes is a good example of what I'm talking about. I think Spirit Transfer is smth to consider, too.

Rest seems fine.

mattjones527 · Apr 08, 2006, 03:24 AM // 03:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hella Good

I think with Rts you need to get out of the pure heal monk frame of thinking and take on a somewhat heal/proto attitude.

WHAT?!?

Are you suggesting I think outside the box?

Blasphemy!

lol j/k

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You might be right be right I am focused mostly on pure heal and some condition/hex removeal.

I think eventually very efficent heal/prot builds will start to surface, For now though I'm just working on a pure healing build.

Thanks for posting, I may consider on working on a more prot focused build
later on. But for now, due to lack of stuff in the Rt forum, Im working on a heal build that is efficient and can be easily played.

And hopefully people will consider making Rt healers to counteract the lack of monks we saw at certain points in the prophecies campaign.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hella Good

I think using stuff like Weapon of Warding and Weapon Boon and the likes is a good example of what I'm talking about. I think Spirit Transfer is smth to consider, too.

Rest seems fine.

GWFreaks has a skill called [Weilders Boon] not [Weapon Boon], So I will assume it was a typo.

I agree synergistic skills should definitly be taken into consideration. The only reason I avoided Weilders Boon for example is because IF that ally has a weapon THEN it will be efficent( actually 1hp less) as Soothing memories(which should cost 0 enegry while holding Songkai as opposed to 2~3)

Spirit Transfer could become an incredibly efficent heal spell, the only reason I didnt choose it was because its too conditional on the spirits.

Originally this build only had two spirits (which couldnt be kept up indefinitly), and an 88hp spammable skill wouldnt benefit the build to much, since it already contains 90hp~106hp cheap spammable skills.

If there were other Rt's on the team that were spirit heavy then perhaps it would be a good idea to bring Spirit transfer, but since the build in its current state only has one spirit, I dont think spirit transfer fits in too well.

One last thing, thanks for posting

[note: when I capitalize 'IF' and 'THEN' its just to emphasize the point, I dont mean it as yelling or a rude tone.]

SnipiousMax · Apr 08, 2006, 07:51 AM // 07:51

Good solid build. I've been impressed with the versatility of the Rits!

natus · Apr 08, 2006, 10:21 AM // 10:21

Quote:

On the issue of Draw Spirit, well for some reason it isnt showing up in my GWFreaks program . So if someone could post the stats and desription it would be greatly appreciated. It sounds like it would be useful.

Draw Spirit
No Attribute. 5 energy, 1 cast, 5 recharge
Spell. Teleport target allied Spirit to your location.

BUT, if you're not targeting a spirit, you just draw the nearest allied one.

mattjones527 · Apr 09, 2006, 02:27 AM // 02:27

natus, thanks for posting the skill desription of draw spirit

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Good news for everyone considering holding urns with their ritualists. Today Gaile Gray(Anets community relations manager) said they will deal with the issue

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Also I was concerned that the build would have a small energy pool, considering it is holding an urn most of the time. So I tweaked the build and went with a Rt/mes, I will post that build in the first post shortly. Any comments on the 2nd version of the build will be appreciated.

[note: the image attached is when Gaile Gray briefly was talking about the urns]

Francis Demeules · Apr 09, 2006, 02:36 AM // 02:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattjones527

natus, thanks for posting the skill desription of draw spirit

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Good news for everyone considering holding urns with their ritualists. Today Gaile Gray(Anets community relations manager) said they will deal with the issue

.

Also I was concerned that the build would have a small energy pool, considering it is holding an urn most of the time. So I tweaked the build and went with a Rt/mes, I will post that build in the first post shortly. Any comments on the 2nd version of the build will be appreciated.

[note: the image attached is when Gaile Gray briefly was talking about the urns]

Thx for the info Matt! At least, many builds can be work with ashes spells now.

Thx Gaile Gray too to say that!

SnipiousMax · Apr 09, 2006, 02:56 AM // 02:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattjones527

Also I was concerned that the build would have a small energy pool, considering it is holding an urn most of the time. So I tweaked the build and went with a Rt/mes, I will post that build in the first post shortly. Any comments on the 2nd version of the build will be appreciated.

Just think of it as hiding energy. With one you still have it, if you get in a bind, all you have to do is drop the ashes, and boom! +15 energy!. And one of the Urns actually gives you +20 energy....so it's like you're getting 5 more, than you would not holding it. So you're energy pool should be fine.

allience · Apr 19, 2006, 04:44 PM // 16:44

i've tried the exact same rt build to replace the standard WOH monk in pvp at heroes ascent.

-the main problem was the cast time of the spells. 1 second is not good in pvp. the standard woh is 3/4 sec and it's hard to save sum1 with a 1 sec spell.

-second problem is the actual heal power. a monk with divine favor heals more then a RT.

i think a healing RT would be ok for pve but for pvp i'm in doubt. maybe the build needs some tweaking and i'll definatelly look more into it when factions is out.

Francis Demeules · Apr 19, 2006, 04:50 PM // 16:50

No HB with Ritualist. You have Recuperation and its not an enchantment.

mattjones527 · Apr 22, 2006, 04:38 PM // 16:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by allience

i've tried the exact same rt build to replace the standard WOH monk in pvp at heroes ascent.

-second problem is the actual heal power. a monk with divine favor heals more then a RT.

i think a healing RT would be ok for pve but for pvp i'm in doubt. maybe the build needs some tweaking and i'll definatelly look more into it when factions is out.

I agree completely that this build doesnt even come close to the healing potential of a monk.

This build is probably only going to be useful to pve players that like to play monk but want to start a new factions character to explore the new world with.

As for pvp I dont see a Rt ever replacing a monk. But for pve this could be a useful substitute.

Francis Demeules · Apr 22, 2006, 05:16 PM // 17:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattjones527

I agree completely that this build doesnt even come close to the healing potential of a monk.

This build is probably only going to be useful to pve players that like to play monk but want to start a new factions character to explore the new world with.

As for pvp I dont see a Rt ever replacing a monk. But for pve this could be a useful substitute.

Less problem to find a healer for Missions

Vahn Roi · Apr 22, 2006, 06:01 PM // 18:01

In my experience, monks are always somewhat troublesome to find for missions and quests (save for Oro and Fa).